Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: it'd be exactly the same
lawreanne sanico: no it won't.


so that sparked a debate. it's been long since i debated (not to mention with him, which was more than a year ago). and i had fun debating!! this was informal though 'coz we didn't have definitions whatsoever. but somehow we understood each other's stands! wahaha! i was WINNING! dbaaaaaaa?? pero sumablay sa end!! one word: TANGA! wahahahaha!

anyway, "what is life without chemistry?" obviously, he took the "it'd be exactly the same" stand and i for the "no it won't". that was my status in YM. all my ateneo-physics major friends all claim that "chemistry is physics without thought. math is physics without purpose." so i decided to put that status. (but those physics freaks do have a point. but still, CHEMISTRY IS THE CENTRAL SCIENCE.)


Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: yes it will. elements compounds will stay as they are whether or not we know what they are
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: the earth existed long before any chemists
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: and it will stay on long after
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan:
lawreanne sanico: but will you have toothpaste? soap? will you even have electronics? technology? science? no. none of them without chemistry.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: but those aren't essential elements of life
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: they aren't intrinsic necessities
lawreanne sanico: but they are essential to life now, as defined by this generation,
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: ah there you are wrong
lawreanne sanico: how can i be wrong?
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: what then of tribes in new guinei?
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: or in north luzon
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: they all exist now
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: and yet they do not define their lives along those concepts
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: they are our generation
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: you are arguing that the meaning of life is found in soap and toothpaste
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: that the very intelligibility of being is in cleaning your teeth
lawreanne sanico:
lawreanne sanico: yes, they exist, but even they are adjusting to the changes in the world -- as i myself saw from the Mangyans in mindoro. yes they exist, but that doesn't mean life had always been the same for them ever since they existed.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: yes
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: that still doesn't prove your point though
lawreanne sanico: yes it does. life wouldn't be the same. those IP's and people need chemistry to survive.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: need?
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: really?
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: our knowledge of the elements does not in any way alter the constitution of the natural order
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: chemistry serves to make it intelligible
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: but it is not from chemistry that we derive meaning for existence
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: bringing back my earlier poing which you didn't answer -- you are arguing that the meaning of life is found in soap and toothpaste
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: try defending to any average reasonable person
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: *try defending that to any average reasonable person
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan:
lawreanne sanico: apparently, you aren't any average reasonable person. haha sorry late reply kay mayda ko gintapos and ginpass na homework (online)..
lawreanne sanico: and no, chemistry doesn't exist to make "it" intelligible..
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: oh crap
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: sorry
lawreanne sanico: it's not merely the knowledge of elements and compounds that are tackled in chemistry
lawreanne sanico: ok la, tapos na. hahaha.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: i know that
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: your saying that your life is more meaningful than that of the greek philosopher just because you have potato chips and he didn't
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: or that you have toothpaste
lawreanne sanico: the way they react to other elements and compounds are important aspects. the toothpaste and soap are merely examples. life wouldn't be the same without chemistry
lawreanne sanico: without chemistry, would you even have medicines?
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: its essential to the argument
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: YES
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: YES
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: YES
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: YES
lawreanne sanico: i'm not saying that life equates to toothpaste, soap or whatever
lawreanne sanico: it's just that, it wouldn't be the same.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: i cant believe you're even asking that
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan:
lawreanne sanico: why? toinkz
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: without chemistry, would you even have medicines
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: yes!
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: you should know
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: except we dont call them medicines
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: see it's all nomenclature
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: and parameters
lawreanne sanico: but some "medicines" aren't sufficient for a lot of illnesses
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: its not essential to the argument
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: !
lawreanne sanico:
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: cleave to the issue at hand
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: if you were to take chemistry, people will still have two arms two eyes two legs
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: men will still have a penis and women a vagina
lawreanne sanico: that's coz you're defining life as THAT.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: *take away
lawreanne sanico: haahhaha
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: no im not
lawreanne sanico: i'm arguing that life wouldn't be the same! without chemistry
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: im arguing it's not in chemistry that the essence of existence is located
lawreanne sanico: it's not necessary that ALL people know about chemistry
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: i know
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: so?
lawreanne sanico: it's just that certain professional people must know and learn and discover a lot about chemistry
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: so?
lawreanne sanico: it's the central science afterall. without chemistry (in-depth, that is), curing illnesses wouldn't be the same. life would be hard.
lawreanne sanico: that's just one thing
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: how does that help your case?
lawreanne sanico: IT WOULND'T BE THE SAME!
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: it's the central science afterall. without chemistry (in-depth, that is), curing illnesses wouldn't be the same. life would be hard
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: sorry i typed that before i saw this
lawreanne sanico: hhahahaha
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: yet life would still be life
lawreanne sanico: but it wouldn't be the same
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: it could still be meaningful
lawreanne sanico: but it wouldn't be the same
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: it that sense it just the same
lawreanne sanico: ?
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: meaning that chemistry does not alter life itself dramatically, it merely enhance the facticities of life
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: the very immanent aspects are not dependent on chemistry
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: externalities
lawreanne sanico: yes it is.. it's just that, people don't know. hahaha
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: dont give me an answer like that
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: you were doing quite well
lawreanne sanico: hahahahaha
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: hahahaah
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: ok na eh
lawreanne sanico: nag-loosen up an tension. cnxah.
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: sinira pa
lawreanne sanico:
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: ok na arguments mo eh, sinira mo
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: haahahahahaha
Lievj Raoni Alimangohan: i dunno about you i was having fun the entire time
lawreanne sanico: hahahaha. me too
lawreanne sanico: it's been long since i did that


the rest that followed were about school orals and shiz.
oh well, but i did enjoy the debate (with former(?) 'coach' kuya lievj)! it's been long since i debated like this. fun fun night! :))